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DarkDragoon said:Vicelin said:DarkDragoon said:Vicelin said:DarkDragoon said: Course abortion does lead to a general lack of caring whether or not they do get preggers since all they have to do is get that abortion ^_^
I know this is a fallacy, I just can’t remember the goddamn name. Nevertheless, it’s a fallacy. Abortion –/–> girls not caring wether they get pregnant or not. It’s absolutely nothing like “whoops, guess I need an abortion, oh well!”…abortion is just like any other medical procedure: it costs hundreds to thousands of dollars and can have terrible side-effects. It’s not a decision made lightly.
For the rich girls aint too much of a problem
So then your statement completely neglects the ones who aren’t, which probably accounts for more then half the abortions in the uninted states. My point still stands.
They can get enough money somehow ^_^
What I’d really like to know is how this relates at all to the difficult emotional and life-changing decision of having or not having a baby. Why would a woman with a restricted or barely livable income carelessly get herself pregnant when she didn’t want to be in the first place and knowing full well that abortions cost hundreds of dollars out of their own paycheck because insurance doesn’t cover it? I really don’t like the assumptions you are making here.
tarheel91 said:Zappy said:tarheel91 said:Zappy said: I agree, I doubt anyone who says “adoption is an option” knows anything about the life of an orphan. Most people do not realize how sad of an experience the life of an orphan is. Of course, a mother is not going to give any love for a child she got from surprise buttsex, and is going to throw that person in a daycare center, and assuming the rapist is in jail. That person does not have any parents. I read some books about this once, one of those include a book called the Great Gilly Hopkins, where a child could grow up in life and find her parents, but then realizes her biological parents do not want anything to do with her. Sad.Wut? Last time I checked, anal couldn’t impregnate anyone. I didn’t know there was someone on the internet naive enough to not know what buttsex actually was. The other thing that angered me was your gross generalization of all rape victims, suggesting that they’re incapable of loving or raising a child. Just because they weren’t planning on having a child doesn’t automatically mean they should or need to have an abortion.
Oh, and I doubt you know anything about orphans either, so please don’t be hypocritical and call out others on the same thing (FYI: fictional novels don’t make you an expert on the subject).
Ok, but my point is, many women do not want to bring up a child that they got from rape.
Rape doesn’t factor into the equation. It doesn’t make them magically hate the baby. What factors into it is their readiness to care and provide for a baby. That is independent of whether someone was raped or was simply knocked up.
Actually, sadly it does. Rape is an extremely traumatic experience, and while every baby may be born with a clean slate and the potential to be nothing like their parents, some women simply can’t emotionally accept the child of their rapist and want absolutely nothing to do with it. That child is a connection to a traumatic experience that they can’t mentally accept, and while it’s always possible to take the high road and overcome the trauma, it’s not always possible nor is it something anyone should expect them to do. I know for a fact that I don’t ever want to go through pregnancy. If I were ever raped and lucky enough to survive to find out that I was pregnant because of it, I couldn’t fathom keeping the child. I just went through a terrible experience and going through a second one just isn’t going to help.
DarkDragoon said:Vicelin said:DarkDragoon said: Course abortion does lead to a general lack of caring whether or not they do get preggers since all they have to do is get that abortion ^_^I know this is a fallacy, I just can’t remember the goddamn name. Nevertheless, it’s a fallacy. Abortion –/–> girls not caring wether they get pregnant or not. It’s absolutely nothing like “whoops, guess I need an abortion, oh well!”…abortion is just like any other medical procedure: it costs hundreds to thousands of dollars and can have terrible side-effects. It’s not a decision made lightly.
For the rich girls aint too much of a problem
So then your statement completely neglects the ones who aren’t, which probably accounts for more then half the abortions in the uninted states. My point still stands.
A sponge. With a squirrel tail. And cute little whiskers…and tiny little squirrel feet…am I crazy or could that actually be kind of cute? Quick, someone draw a picture.
DarkDragoon said: Course abortion does lead to a general lack of caring whether or not they do get preggers since all they have to do is get that abortion ^_^I know this is a fallacy, I just can’t remember the goddamn name. Nevertheless, it’s a fallacy. Abortion –/–> girls not caring wether they get pregnant or not. It’s absolutely nothing like “whoops, guess I need an abortion, oh well!”…abortion is just like any other medical procedure: it costs hundreds to thousands of dollars and can have terrible side-effects. It’s not a decision made lightly.
Pirkid said:Merovign said: Wait. Mip doesn’t exist?! The point is the most important factor for living in any dimension!=O
She does exist, just in zero dimensions. =]
I think my brain just imploded.
Gujju said: I am super iffy about my views on it.
Mainly because I think abortions should only be done in certain cases: being a harm to the mother’s well being, a rape victim, ect.
But there is just no sure way of regulating it, so I am back to square one.
I want to say that I dont agree with abortion, but then i think about all those stupid women who get pregant and the fact that they can potentially be terrible mothers. Do we want to make these children suffer just because we dont agree with terminating a pregnancy?So in the end, I dont think i can side with for or against.
So basically, you are pro-choice? o_O because you can disagree with abortion and still be pro-choice.
Nass said: -scrolls down-WHOA! tl;dr!
But uh, don’t commit suicide. Cuz I read one time that if you die with regrets/ sadness, your spirit will keep reliving each memory until Armageddon
I don’t plan to kill myself >_>; I’m not suicidal. Because if the Hindus are right, then that means I’m stuck in samsara, and I’d really rather not be.
Pirkid said: You don’t know what death is.Well, no. But neither do you. That’s the fun in it. No one is right, and no one is wrong.
Flamboyant authors and famous quotes state that death is a big adventure and should be embraced instead of avoided, but why?Because accepting death as something positive instead of something terrible to be avoided at all costs will in general help someone to be less afraid when faced with the unknown. I used to get extremely depressed at the thought of what would happen to me when I die, and every time I was confronted with death I couldn’t handle it and I would have an emotional breakdown. When I accepted the concept of death not as an end, but instead a new beginning, I got over my fear and was able to lead a happier life. Accepting this idea doesn’t automatically mean that the person who accepts it is going to look for a way to end their life sooner. In my case, it just means that when it comes my time for a natural death, I won’t be scared. It just so happens that this idea is also shared by those who commit rational suicide, which is how I can sympathyze with it.
What’s wrong with your life that you want to change everything and move on to a place where you have no idea what happens? What if death is the most antagonizing event in our tangible lives? Would you be so eager as you RATIONALIZE a reason to die?For the first question, that’s not one I can answer, because I’m not suicidal. I would love to ask someone who has commited rational suicide and find out in detail how they would answer that, but my little brother broke my Ouija board (sorry, that was a lame joke). Anyway.
As for the second question, there is really no way to know that, so I don’t have an opinion to offer.
I can’t believe this. You’re attaching a positive light to something we know nothing about, and never will.Better then attaching negativity and fear to it, methinks.
Ghosts and paranormal activity, that’s all bullshit.That’s a possibility, but there is no evidence to prove or disprove them, just like how there is no way to prove or disprove a God, because these things can’t be measured.
Atoms can change their stature at any moment, our world could implode with the collapse of molecules every nano-second. Death is not an ‘adventure’ or a ‘rational decision’, it’s an idiotic mistake.I wonder if you’ve ever read about the EPR paradox. There are elements of the atom that are, much like the paranormal, a mystery in quantum mechanics.
As for what death is and isn’t, I think the idea that it’s an “idiotic mistake” is kind strange, but if you want to think of it that way and it puts you at ease, then go ahead.
Sure, if you know that it’s going to happen, by all means, jump off the highest cliff you can to experience it, or hang-glide into a tree, or ski down an avalanche. You’re gonna die sometime in the near future, do it with a bang, I can attest to that. Or if you want a quick, painless death, ask someone to help. But leading a healthy, active life, and deciding to destroy it?Not everyone has the luxury of leading a healthy, happy, active life. Some people are born knowing how and when they are going to die because of an incurable disease. Some people are born into poverty or other unfavorable situations. Some people live their lives in physical pain that is barely manageable, but everyone around them expects them to stay alive and trapped in that pain until the very end, because a natural death is the only “good” death, and we selfishly want to keep them here as long as possible because when they do die, it will be be painful for US. Fear of death and appreciation of longevity are culturally embedded in our society, but that doesn’t mean we’re always right in our intentions.
While I’m listing examples, what about captured soldiers? If there is no means of escape and the choice is between letting the enemy torture you until you die or doing it quickly yourself, who has the right to tell them not to?
People die every two seconds without the will or power to stop it.Sure, but think about what the world would be like if we DID have the power to stop death. The planet we live on would run out of natural resources, and while maybe longevity would increase, quality of life would dramatically decrease.
People around the world WANT TO LIVE, but they lack food, water, money, shelter. You treat your life like it’s worth nothing.I understand the want to live, and I don’t think anything is wrong with that, but there is a point where when taken to extremes it becomes more harmful to society then good. My point is that I also understand the decision some to choose an early death, and that while I would not reach this conclusion myself, it’s not my decision nor anyone elses to make for them.
I never said that my life was worth nothing. I personally find life enjoyable and interesting, but not everyone lives a life like mine. As for the example you gave, I don’t see how it relates to the topic at all, but maybe I’m just confused. Like you said, lives can’t be traded or measured and distributed to people in the same way that food can, and wether suicide is the “wasting” of a life is totally subjective and not everyone will answer the same.
If you take it away ‘rationally’, you’re wasting what could have been someone else’s life.Don’t be so foolish.
This makes absolutely no sense. “Life” isn’t something that can be simply given, there is no way to literally pass the one you have to someone else, so there really isn’t a way to “waste” it like that.
Anyway, I’d also like to post the response of a friend of mine. They wrote this for me when I brought up the topic, and I’m pretty terrible at putting my thoughts into words, so this might clear up what exactly my thoughts on suicide are:
I suspect some of the various taboos concerning suicide arise from our culture’s rather inadequate treatment of the reality of death, dying, and human mortality. We obsess over the appearances of youth by pressuring men and women always to look younger than they are instead of appreciating the aging process for what it is. We shut our elders away in nursing homes instead of giving them the position of honor and reverence that their wisdom deserves. Our funeral customs as well mask the face of death with beautifying dead bodies instead of showing what decay really looks like; preserving them in caskets instead of allowing them to rot and return to the Earth. In many ways I see society’s issues with suicide as symptomatic of this larger poorly painted treatment of death in general.As with anything, though, I’d still have to say it depends on circumstances. I think most of us would say that a single father who has two young kids to be responsible for may be a bit more self-centered in killing himself than a widowed man with no dependents. In that case, relieving yourself from harm is causing great harm to those around you. That I have difficulty condoning. In other cases, it is almost self-centered to keep living. If you’re in a vegetative state and your loved ones are paying all those medical bills to keep you alive, you’re acting as a drain on their finances and their lives. Personally I would not want to burden my loved ones with such a thing; my ‘existence’ is doing them harm and it makes sense to end it.
Rep said: You forgot to consider the fact that, without abortion as an option, people might be more careful sexually.
But I forgot to consider the fact that some women might be crazy and have a baby just to get someone to stay in a relationship with them.I’m pretty sure humans have been having sex for pleasure long before a safe, 100% working form of abortion, or contraceptives, were established. Sex is enjoyable, thus people are going to keep having it wether they intend to have children or not. Most girls who go to a clinic for an abortion were using condoms, or on the pill, or both, but accidents happen, and I think that for those girls in particular, abortion should remain legal. Are there going to be idiots using abortion AS birth control because they are irresponsible and dumb? Yea. And there will always be. If abortion was illegal then those girls who DO have sex responsibly but get caught in an unfavorable situation will just try to abort the child on their own and resort to some possibly deadly means to get it done. It’s a lose-lose situation.
Don’t forget every artist who depicts child abuse, animal abuse, murder, rape and theft in their drawings, paintings and sculptures as statements. We just can’t sit back and tolerate this D:
Well, if the public non-smoking agenda keeps rolling along like it has been, second-hand smoke will be a complaint of the past anyway.
But seriously, considering that marijuanna screws with the brain just as much as alcohol, I doubt many people will be smoking it in public even if it became legal, because there will probably be laws preventing them from driving while they’re high.
Oh, and don’t be hatin’ the substance, hate the idiots who use them irresponsibly. Recreational drugs are fine when used in moderation, and responsibly.
I have to disagree. I had a much easier time (and more fun, too), with older games. Duck hunter, mario, spyro, crash bandicoot…and my favorite, crock D:
I say legalize it. The less people who can tell their feet from their hands and make it to their jobs during the day means more employment opportunities for me!
Ok, that was kind of a joke.
On a more serious note, I still say legalize it for matters of consistency. Alcohol and cigarettes are legal, so why weed isn’t just doesn’t make any logical sense, considering that it’s a far less dangerous substance. And I say legalize LSD too while we’re at it. Hell, lets just legalize every drug, I never agreed with concepts like the sanctity and longevity of human life anyway.
Pirkid said: I think it should be the “second offense” kind.I know it allows for more offenses but it also lets false convictions go.
I think I agree with this. I think?
Oooh. Ok.
Now would probably be a good time to mention that I’m kind of against space colonization. But I’m just a morbid person who would rather see humanity stuck here to die in the mess it made then see it flaunt happily into the galaxy without consequence. When it reaches the point that the sun is getting close to crapping out on us and we have no other choice, I may be in favor of leaving it, even though the idea of the human race continuing doesn’t sit well with me. But when it comes to assholes like my dad who only want to leave because of what we have done to the planet to make it hard to live here, for reasons like “because we’re overpopulated”, I want to tie them to a chair and let many forest creatures pee all over them.
